[Propertalk] Bless You Joe

[Robert Cook]

Dear Joe
I've been on Propertalk since almost its inception (c. 1996) Bless you for blessing all of us with your diligent and caring work of sharing resources! 
May you have a wonderful Lord's Day! -Bob 

In regione caecorum rex est luscus. -Erasmus

--- On Sat, 8/14/10, Joe Parrish <JoeParrish at compuserve.com> wrote:

From: Joe Parrish <JoeParrish at compuserve.com>
Subject: [Propertalk] Tidbits for sermon on Luke 12:49-56 - IV.
To: "Propertalk" <Propertalk at stsams.org>
Cc: PROPERTALK.topic at ecunet.org
Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 10:02 PM



 
 

Even those who claim to study the “signs of our times” seem to 
get it wrong. They look for signs of when the world is going to end 
wowing people with millennial theories and all sorts of biblical prophecies. 
Yet, this is foolishness – a fool’s use of time. We are not supposed to 
know when; even Jesus did not seek the answer to that question. 
They 
pour over the prophecies and tabulate the days, yet lives are being lost all 
around them. Lives for which we will all be held accountable. It is a state of 
self-congratulatory complacency in the midst of suffering. We pat ourselves on 
the back for a great worship service while a block away from our mega-church a 
child is told how stupid and unwanted she is by a parent who hasn’t had their 
morning fix.
“Analyze this present time!” heralds our Lord.
This 
present time!

http://onefamilyoutreach.com/bible/Luke/lk_12_49-56.html
 
Source: Jerry Goebel: 2007 © http://onefamilyoutreach.com.
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If our world were nothing but a place of created goodness and profound 
beauty, a space of flourishing for all, just and life-giving for all in God’s 
creation, then Jesus’ challenge would be deeply troubling. If, on the other 
hand, our world is deeply marred and scarred, death-dealing for many life forms, 
with systems of meaning that are exploitative and nonsustainable, then 
redemption can come only when those systems are shattered and consumed by fire. 
Life cannot (re-) emerge without confrontation. This is the basis of the 
conflict Jesus envisions. He comes not to disturb a nice world but to shatter 
the disturbing and death-dealing systems of meaning that stifle 
life.
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3116
 
Teresa Berger
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From all of these [17 OT and 4 NT] verses, I believe that we 
can make the following generalizations about “fire” as it is used in the 
Bible:
(1) Fire is closely linked with the presence and the power of 
God.
(2) Fire is often used, either symbolically or literally, as 
an instrument of divine wrath, exercised against sinners, both Israelites and 
Gentiles.
(3) Biblical prophecy speaks of “fire” as yet to come, brought 
by God against sinners, both Gentiles and Jews. 
(4) The future fire of divine judgment is closely linked with 
the coming of Messiah.
(5) At the outset of Jesus’ ministry, John the Baptist spoke 
of the coming Messiah as bringing fire.
On the basis of these premises, one can only conclude that the 
“fire” of which Jesus spoke is the same fire about which the prophets, including 
John the Baptist, spoke—the fire of divine wrath. When Jesus said that He had 
come to “kindle a fire” He is therefore saying that He has come to bring about 
the outpouring of God’s wrath on sinful Israel.
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...there is, I believe, some allusion to the role of 
“authority” in this division. The division described out in these verses is all 
within the family, but it also crosses lines of authority. Fathers have 
authority over sons, as mothers have authority over daughters. Allegiance to 
Christ takes precedence over all other authority. Normally, we would expect that 
the Christian’s faith would enhance his or her obedience to those in authority, 
as we see the Scriptures teaching (cf. Ephesians 5:21–6:10), but 
there will be times when we must obey God rather than men, and in these 
instances, division will occur, as well as at other 
times.
http://bible.org/seriespage/consequences-christs-coming-luke-1249-59
 
Bob Deffinbaugh 
 


 

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